Even if that IG (which was a modern variant which has barely any universal feats) was the multiversal one it was during the Infinity Gauntlet saga, it would still not be enough to match pre retcon Beholder. No prep and no knowledge. Yes, Pre-Retcon Beyonder can erase the fodder low level abstracts from Marvel Multiverse that goes from universal to low-multiversal incarnations bound by physics and that cannot exists outside. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). Mee09. The Spectre (at MAXIMUM Potential) vs. ) No speculation UNLESS implied orconfirmed by author or company to be true. The Pre Rectcon Beyonder is basically a galaxy spanning Pamela Geller, Richard Dawkins and Salman Rushdie rolled into one universal power, the Beyonder has the power to stomp on the Quran or Koran. The only level higher than fiction is the reality, so unless you think 3812 is about to come into the real world he literally can't ascend above a comic character. Basically beyonder is being of infinite dimensions when He limits himself, but as beyond realm he is a creature that goes beyond all that. CryptoI would think that a Level 100 character would be something like the pre-retcon version of The Beyonder from Marvel Comics. #2 Edited By Hulkman123. Manhattan's league. 43. Bernkastel first summoned few thousands kitties, Will resisted for a while, but it did not take long for the cats to rip off one of his. ". Gender: Inapplicable (As the character stated, "he" was made of energy. That said, Beyonder loses anyway otherwise and badly (really badly) mainly because Lucifer crushes the BeyondRealm and can survive all of Beyonder's max feat and max implied level of power. @kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. Name:' The Beyonder, The One From Beyond, The One Who is All, Frank. @yamiyodare: Living Tribunal has held 2. Full cosmic cubes, like Kubik and Shaper, are more powerful. Stronger than scp-3125 who in turn can exist in noosphere, noosphere contains and surpass narrative within scp which in turn even one narrative in surpass uncountable infinite narratives and oh yeah by the way this is THE SMALLEST narrative and it’s already pre retcon beyonder in turn there are infinite narratives which each surpass each other in. ago. ^This. Was mind-haxxed/poisoned by Multiversal knowledge, despite being more than thousands of degrees more powerful than such things. Galactus Fused 23. Power-level wise, the Beyonder is so far 'beyond' the Anti-Monitor it's not even funny. ImKindaANiceGuy • 3 yr. CryptoBrainiac, the highest level intellect in all of DC and the only villain to go out into the Source to find more information how things really are, says Myxzptlk's power of Imagination is infinite. Depends on if he means pre retcon beyonder or the cosmic cube beyonder. - Fight Scenario -. The level determines the final score, of the Super Power, being used in the calculation. greater Wheel which is in tur the lowest level of an "telescope stretching all the way back to the eye of the Anui-El, with padomaics innumerable among its infinite walls",. Pre Retcon Beyonder said that the combined powers of all the beings in the multiverse (including entities) where just like a drop in the sea and is considered to be a million times powerful than. Pre Retcon Beyonder coming to Marvel Multiverse due to curiosity is also a karma. -One. So I started a thread where we can debate the power that Beyonder had before he was retconned. I want to see if Pre-Retcon Beyonder's category can actually last that long. Solar Supercharge: Superman Prime One Million remained in Earth's sun, labelled as the "Super-Sun", for 15,000 years, increasing his abilities to unknown but presumably titanic levels. Even MM said Beyonder was well beyond him In that fight even with half his power. 3. Anti-monitor was multiversal, Beyonder was hundreds and hundreds of times more powerful than the multiverse and is the poster boy for omnipotence (even though he's nigh omnipotent). HeartLesS 25 d . CC Goku is outerversal while in Uni Blue, meanwhile Pre retcon Beyonder as far as i know is high outer and has way better feats, apart from being part of a much larger cosmology. Also, you should prove that Dormammu and Eternity can not just destroy but ONESHOT multiverse. In that case, E would be 10. It’s Lucifer vs PR Beyonder basically. His book alone has all. Thank you. Having said this,we cannot scale and judge Pre Retcon Beyonder from what the Ivory Kings do. Pre retcon MM scared the cosmics of the 80s even as groups, they had to just let him pass by out of fear, even beg him to fight Beyonder due to how scared shitless they. God’s best feat is him creating the concept of light with a single command, while Beyonder has crazy other things that are more impressive. Quantu. 8. Followers. Of course, Sentry beat MM when he was at. The Beyonder (Pre-Retcon)should be Tier 0. As wanky as it sounds, you've pitted an omnipotent+ being against an omnipotent being. High-End Composite Time Lords and High-End Interpretation Downstreamers 3. Pre-retcon Beyonder was almost omnipotent. The original Beyonder was created for the Secret Wars (1985) miniseries. He is a cosmic cube which is an Omni-dimensional object that can expand infinitely but that is only a limited part of him because he limits himself. Even The. The thing is though, "Pre-Retcon Beyonder" is the Beyonder circa Secret Wars II, 1985. who’s full power. However, he can scale to characters with immeasurable speed via statements. jwwprod. on. Prepare for. Precursors and Silentium Flood (Halo) vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder (616 Marvel) Apparently, the Precursors are massively multiversal as the Forerunners, who are inferior to them, can use entire universes to power themselves. #36. on TOAA's page it says that he is the most powerful being in the marvel multiverse. So, it is the power of pre-retcon Beyonder. @sungsam: Current Molecule Man has the power of the beyonders so he is supposed to be more powerful than pre retconned moleculeman who is around the same level as pre retconned beyonder. Super forms can change from one battle to the next in power level, although there is. Pretty sure it wasnt stated to end so. #8 Edited By Sungsam. Nope. New Comics. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. This was not just simply the power of Transcendence. These sorts of characters tend to push higher on the scale occasionally -- notably, Molecule Man was able to match Pre-Retcon Beyonder and he and Franklin Richards recreated the multiverse. . Hajun via feats and implied power. Pre Retcon Beyonder has been nearly killed before by lesser being and has been outsmarted more than once by people so far below his power level. however one could always reduce a given discourse's interpretation of Mxy's power levels by bringing up his lowshowings here and there; in regards to scaling Manhattan to Perpetua, I find this really poor since the latter. @kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. The Darkest Knight (Man who laughs) vs The Beyonder. #6 Edited By DC_Marvel_1000. Origin: Marvel Comics. Defenders Beyond prove GoS abilities work on Beyonders or no. And he loses. The difference in power level between the two is therefore infinity. Follow 4132. Pre-Retcon Beyonder can teleport and undo. Is Pre-Retcon Beyonder more powerful than The One Above All? 57 results 1 2 #1 Edited By firewrkninja on TOAA's page it says that he is the most powerful being in the marvel multiverse. 3: Pre-retcon Beyonder 4: Post-retcon Beyonders. 66. 3. Then there is Inhuman/Mutant beyonder who had nothing to do with The beyonders. Nothing can come close to infinite creation and/or destruction. Business, Economics, and Finance. The Beyonder/s (Marvel) vs Bleach universe. Apr 8, 2018. Here are all his interpreted levels of power. The level is set when connecting that Super Power to a character. This is came from a Handbook that is for Cosmic Cube Beyonder but this Handbook is a reference to his ORIGINAL character for Beyonder in Secret Wars 1-2No struggle, no real story. #14. Pre-Retcon Beyonder probably is more powerful than current Sky-father Hercules and therefore can/should win. The Beyonder is the physical manifestation of the beyond realm itself, the beyond realm is superior/transcendent over the marvel Multiverse in it's entirety, is beyond all planes of reality and myriad dimensions. Beyonder was stated millions of times more powerful than the combined power of all Marvel including any and every being in it. Combine Pre-Retcon Beyonder and all the Marvel reality warpers, as well as Manhattan and. The Beyonder is straight up more powerful than the character used as The One Above All's proxy. He has the best battle feats, taking on the Celestials, the Molecule Man. Bat Manhattan has all his current power as of the last issue from DC Comics. 4. Forum Posts. Pre-Retcon Beyonder (Marvel) vs Lucifer Morningstar (DC/Vertigo) Lucifer win because in terms of raw power beyonder win but you have to remember beyonder isnt smart at all. Beyonder Pre-Retcon was a REALM. there are tons of ways to argue. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). give evidence of who wins. That is PRE-retcon Beyonder. Biography: The man, the myth, the legend. The level is set when connecting that Super Power to a character. -Beyonder/s are bloodlusted. So they pretty much stomps the likes of Galactus, Mephisto and etc who are universal at most. Doom get the drop on him and take his power. I don’t think Lucifer scales above them. He has both well feats and statements. we have here two supreme beings, fighting in all the multiverse, and they don't care if the multiverse is destroyed or not, all they care about is toBeyonder (Pre-Retcon) runs the gauntlet. Pre retcon beyonder one shots all. deactivated-63c1a72900876. ) 4 years ago. #1 Hello, I completely redid Beyonder's power and abilities section from scratch. A powerful alien supervillain and master of all reality, Beyonder manipulated Loki Laufeyson (not realizing it was in fact Loki who manipulated him) into telling him of Earth's existence. I think he wins this. Stronger than all other beings in the Multiverse, Including Abstracts. Does it matter by that logic Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) because he didnt resist doom taking his power thats a contradiction in your opinion about PR Beyonder. Both are in character. When super-amped Doom battled the Beyonder he got stomped hard. Numidium 2. I agree, but you have to understand that the only things in the Marvel Multiverse more powerful than the Infinity Stones, and by extension the Gauntlet, are the The Living Tribunal, The Heart of the Universe, The Fulcrum (which is the man Jack Kirby himself), pre-retcon Beyonder (arguably), The Marquis of Death (non-canon), and. Pre Retcon Beyonder would be accidentally retconned once more. 2. HANDBOOK FOR POST RECTON. Has no equal or superior, Created Heaven’s (which could be a Universe) with a word and is just flat out stated to be omnipotent with. If this is pre retcon then beyonder. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder is literally millions of times more powerful than the Marvel creation which contains infinite multiverses upon infinite multiverses upon infinite multiverses and so on into infinity. 21)Beyonder(Pre-retcon) 22)Elaine Belloc 23)Nyarlathotep The Rules: 1. Omnipotence is true infinity where nothing can go beyond. 9. #17. 0. check for yourselves in the Cosmic/Abstract Bios if you wish at Marvel in their histories. Even Scarlet King could just literally fart Pre Retcon Beyonder out of existence. ago. It’s hard to grasp at this level, but I believe the Beyonder has far greater on screen feats, such as his battle with Molecule Man. DC's cosmology is bigger than current Marvel's (due to the absolutely ungodly nerfs), but it's definitely not larger than Classic Marvel, where PRB hails from. it would be mostly stalemate. 9 years ago. Super Power Score and Level. Cosmic Armor Superman is two infinities greater than a multiverse whilst Beyonder is only a million times greater than a Multiverse that does not even expand. let's wait and see his actual feats. Regulator Thanos wins, both these characters are above LT in power scope, however the HOTU. 4 years ago s1ckb0yBeak and Toad are on the same level as Daredevil,. Fixes Beyonder's Multiverse-Wide Destruction. 33. Even LT feared him and begged him not to do everything he did. :The mage went to their respective verses o fight 4. We can only scale from their established power levels as they were in 1985, not after the retcon took place. Text under CC-BY-SA licenseThe Beyonder is the physical manifestation of the beyond realm itself, the beyond realm is superior/transcendent over the marvel Multiverse in it's entirety, is beyond all planes of. Follow 21460. so what beyonder does that agianst guys 1000x their level. Cosmic Cube Beyonder. The Beyonder stomps. If you can find a single DBS character (aside from Zeno) who could solo any of these, I’ll be impressed. Thanos wins. Hence why people differentiate the beyonder as. Oldfather 18. Follow 3300. Team 1 wins. Molecule Man can battle Beyonder. The Pre Rectcon Beyonder is basically a galaxy spanning Pamela Geller, Richard Dawkins and Salman Rushdie rolled into one universal power, the Beyonder has the power to stomp on the Quran or Koran. 4 years agoBeyonder (of Earth-616) is a cosmic cube with a god-like being who started and oversaw the Secret Wars. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder TOAA is Marvel and the Presence/Elaine Belloc is DC, but there's a quote by Jim Shooter and Stan Lee from Marvel that puts The Pre-Retcon Beyonder more higher-. The conversation about pre-retcon Beyonder?s power have torn down the thread about Thanos with the heart?s power. 3. Based on Owen's estimation of Beyonder's power levels. 9 years ago. Pre- Retcon Beyonder would not be that much powerful if he came now. Powers are basically the same thing. But beyonder that isn’t pr gets absorbed. CitizenSentry. I forget her name. Anti-monitor was multiversal, Beyonder was hundreds and hundreds of times more powerful than the multiverse and is the poster boy for omnipotence (even though he's nigh omnipotent). Jim Shooter who was the. Stops at 4. rest. High Hyperverse level (The Beyonder is an infinite dimensional being. The Life-force is powerful than The Beyonder's power. Power Grid [27] Intelligence@kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. Sep 6, 2015. By the way what is Hajun's power i mean kkk is has no official English translation and baste on what i know from all the translated content his basically Lung from worm and can escalate his power with the. IMO Lucifer convinces the Beyonder to kill himself. People place the cosmic entities on Lucifers level sometimes lmao. Sure he can beat the post-retcon Beyonder. 9 years ago. The Beyonder was ALMOST killed by a Universe level attack. Belligerents: Composite Time Lords from Doctor Who and the Pre-retcon Beyonder from Marvel Comics. He stomps. Here are all his interpreted levels of power. 8: Hulk /w The One Below All. But basically Dr. Far from Beyonder levels. Prior to being retconned totally out of power and relevance, the Beyonder was basically the most powerful being in all of Marvel comics, totally. 7 years ago. The Beyonder is a cosmic entity of immense power. The mightiest beings (Living Tribunal) are microbes to him. Reviews: 0. Bernkastel vs her servant Will ( not an actual battle. "Now now thats not true. Protege was getting the upper hand on Beyonder rather quicky b4 LT inturrupted their fight, i say Protege ". • Speed: The Beyonder doesn't have too many solid speed feats, Omnipresence isn't considered as a speed tier but rather a state of existence + he's only omnipresent within his realm. The camera zooms out of the celebrating teens only to show PRB above them with puppet strings in his hands. 14 years ago. Beyonder, Pre-Retcon or Post-Retcon with minimum effort. Round 2: White Phoenix of the Crown: Beyonder stomps. Imagine PR Beyonder as the ocean. Sensing that the Beyonder is a power beyond the multiverse itself and is. There's a difference. Half of these people are irrelevant because their power levels overlap so much. the respect thread for Pre-Retcon Beyonder. #1. He is the embodiment of the Beyond-realm which is in fact, another multiverse. Lucifer could just tricked Beyonder like Molecule Man did to Beyonder. 2. 1st Retcon - Beyonder was a cosmic cube who dreamed everything (so SW & SW II did not happen) . The Soruce(DC) 5. . In Lucifer DC Multiverse is not just infinite dimensional but also existing in multiple existence as seen in his conversation with Presence. If we ignore Thought Robot's plot manipulating and implied power and go by feats, then I think Beyonder stops at round 9. Forums. Pre-retcon Beyonder is the be all-end all of ALL comicbook characters. #1. 9: Dr. He'd beat composite Superman, let alone this robot. Aka vs the Beyonder (Pre Retcon) Thread starter Keeweed; Start date Jan 2,. But seeing hat The Pre Retcon Beyonder was basically on the Living Tribunal's level. He's just on a whole nother level from GEB. The only thing Pre retcon beyonder has going for him against featherine is that he was described as "god" in the beyonder realm to possibly put him on her level. 5 years ago. He was initially depicted. Pre retcon Beyonder isn't aware of doctor strange. FIN7 • 5 July 2018 • User blog:FIN7. Beyonder - Writer (according to Stan Lee PR Beyonder was TOAA of his own actuality) I pretend nothing!Summary. Pre-Retcon Beyonder should been banned because he's pretty much unbeatable, though I consider Pre-Retcon Molecule Man to be beatable so I used he for this thread. A man as powerful as he is chronically insecure character, Owen Reece has the power to control all matter and energy. Super Power Score and Level. You see, the thing is that Pre Retcon Beyonder is Secret Wars Beyonder, so it’s not completely incorrect in a away, but all these events are taking after the retcon, if you get what I mean. Round 1: Pre Retcon. The Beyonder can't do anything to this level of OP shit. super strength is not worth much in such a fight. Pre-Retcon Beyonder and LT would be about the same power level, imo. Pre Retcon Beyonder sees an. Beyonder pre-retcon Beyonder > current beyonders races. Beyonder (pre retcon) Fixed. so that places a limit on his power. She needed an amp (once from Kang, once from Doom) to reach the levels of power she had to cause M-Day. But, that was in regard to a. Every hero on earth was totally useless against a flawed celestial patched together from bits and pieces of long dead ones. Also, I should mention that they are probably re-retconning him to his previous levels soon. However PR Beyonder has more power than basically all of existence and attacks that destroyed multiverses were nothing to. And all other beyonder that barely have any feat to match anyone of the above :) 1. 8 K. even though the aftermath of it still did for the mainstream universe. Wiki Points. Round 1: Eternity: Beyonder stomps. PRB was TOAA before TOAA was a thing. Both HotU Thanos and PR Beyonder were vastly greater than LT. PR Beyonder was somehow tricked by dr doom and lost his power which is dumb tbh. So, I looked at The Beyonder's (Pre-Retcon)profile and, found out that he is rated Tier High 1-B and likely, 1-A. The Classic Beyonder would be able to take Anti Monitor at full power out. Later, the two merge into one single Cosmic Cube, and it is. Especially if they all team up on him. Spectre, to me, has never proved to be an equal to LT. "Pre retcon beyonder" had no limits and couldn't be destroyed. Is Pre-Retcon Beyonder more powerful than The One Above All? 57 results 1 2 #1 Edited By firewrkninja on TOAA's page it says that he is the most powerful being in the marvel multiverse. We know that there are multiversals, but Pre-Retcon Beyonders kinda man handled LT from what I understood so it's kinda hard to say who would win. You do not scale a boundless entity from its cosmology. bloodlisted. ago. Beyonder has way more hax, the Glory is literally non-sentient, and Beyonder has an extreme AP advantage, seeing as the Glory is only possibly baseline High 1-B, and Beyonder is well over 10,000,000 times more powerful than almost every High 1-B in Marvel. MM is not as strong as Beyonder but he's above Living Tribunal, abstracts, IG and other such levels of cosmic power. JuliusTakalua. It will take a signifigant effort to kill the Phoenix Force, Just like Death, but he will do it. Beyonder, very easily. #3 JohanLiebert123. @slacker the hacker said: "@Mackeja said: "Pre-retcon spite. Marvel team : Pre-Retcon Molecule Man, The Beyonder & Living Tribunal. The Beyonder is straight up more powerful than the character used as The One Above All's proxy. Nejfelt • 2 yr. 140. I will need to have cited evidence for. Current Beyonder vs New 52 Spectre. Regardless. honestly, i'm just here as a beyonder fan (even if he's terrible). They have never adapted to PR Beyonder level power. •beyonder is omnipotent in the beyond realm. normal Round 2. ] Moon Buster Tier: Able to destroy or move the moon [E. I don't recall any changes in power level or powerset. Beyonder is either: A. which allows michael to ignore boundless narrative hierarchy and can create the concept to make new ones over and. Mxyzptlk. This is Post Retcon Beyonder. I really can't be asked to go. With the tumor, Hajun has an Taiyoku level of Infinity . The level determines the final score, of the Super Power, being used in the calculation. 2. All of the sudden Deku gets a power up and You Say Run starts playing. This would eventually change with later stories, as writers would rewrite and retcon the Beyonder's character and origin, to decrease his power and importance in the Cosmic Hierarchy. Also CAS safe stomps round 4, 7 and probably round 10 as well. Powers and Stats. Sort by:Reinhard or Mercurius could beat Pre-Retcon Beyonder. We can actually prove that Pre-Retcon Beyonder is fodder to Composite-DC. In terms of power levels, this list is pretty accurate though. The thought of Beyonder defeating SCP 3812 because he was able to destroy a billion universes is laughable. May 26, 2023. Even Molecule Man at the height of his powers was almost nothing to Beyonder. Super Power Score and Level. Beyonder Doom 14. and to give Beyonder a curiosity, a reason to visit Earth in SWII. Enter, the retcon. Marvel is hilariously inconsistent with power levels, if we took one off feats and off hand statements we would have thinks like beyond dimensional. Follow 4533. Something like "Weakest DC Villain that could beat Pre-Retcon Beyonder" would be fine though. Sppople. Poll Scathan The Approver vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder (84 votes) Scathan 26%. Battle. Fires a blast that according to Beyonder, could slag Several Billion Dimensions. unlimited power to manipulate matter and energy; invulnerable. Pre retcon, the Beyonder was the most powerful being in the Marvel universe. Pre Retcon Beyonder. Thanos Astral Regulator 19. Pre Retcon Beyonder is more insane than his diet coke race counterparts Hickman used (yes they predate Hickman as Kubik in that FF4 comic shows, I know). Then again PRB could be true Omnipotent, but it seems like too much of a stretch. Then we will talk. Apparently due to the latest post about Doom people are claiming some Bleach characters like Aizen can beat The God Emperor. The Beyonders have nothing to do with Pre Retcon Beyonder. Honestly, I don't know of any feat that proves WP. The Beyonder is no longer able to destroy the Living Tribunal. I'm not talking about the power he's given, but more so what's possible that's given to him. K. Pre-Retcon Beyonder can resurrect the Dead and can give whoever Power they never once had. Going by Cosmology Tiering. While often portrayed as a misunderstood villain, he has also at times acted as an anti-hero. Strange, Sorcerer Supreme 10: The In-Betweener. PR Beyonder was able to erase LT with a wave of his hand. Lucifer. Marvel vs DCBeyonder's best feat is defeating a multiverse level entity, the Living Tribunal, which was a big deal. 0. g: Hulk (strongest variant), Sargeras. 1. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). Beyonder is tier High 1-B for being an infinite dimensional being meaning that the Marvel Universe has infinite dimensions confirmed. Dormamu Eternity Power 27. Manhattan is super strong. 5: Molecule Man 6: Lifebringer Galactus. And the modern US military can easily beat Homelander, but a few thousand guys are dying.